DC Madam Affair

SEANEWS:  What did you find out about the DC Madam (Deborah Jeane Palfrey) affair?

Wayne Madsen:  Well, the DC madam, I have been tracking that story since it first broke in April, I believe, last year and the DC madam of course I got to know her fairly well and I knew the case, I had gone to many of the preliminary hearings and I also spoke to people who she did not know, other sources and it was very clear that when he was the head of Halliburton Dick Cheney was a client personally and on behalf of his corporation, he was a client of the Pamela Martin & Associates Escort Service.

SEANEWS:  Do you believe she committed suicide?

Wayne Madsen:  I was shocked to hear about if after it happened, of course with a case like that you are always shocked, you always tend to believe it could not have happened that way but you also have to keep your mind open because on many similar cases after I have investigated them I found out that they were in fact tragic suicides when there might have been a lot of reasons to believe otherwise but the facts speak for themselves. In this case, the facts do not speak for themselves and I do not believe that Jeane Palfry committed suicide by any stretch.

SEANEWS:  Were you aware that the original prosecutor for Scooter Libby also committed suicide by jumping from the thirteenth floor of a hotel in Canada?

Wayne Madsen:  I wasn’t aware of that but I do know that in Washington in the last few weeks we have experienced quite a few people doing swan dives off of buildings and in one case we had the top Iraqi analyst for the State Department Intelligence Service Bureau of Intelligence and Research jumped off the roof of the State Department killing himself and not too long afterwards a former CIA officer that served in the Jimmy Carter administration and used to work with some of the leading neocons like Richard Perle and who had come out very strongly against the war in Iraq, they said he jumped from the Watergate.  These two cases were buried in the Metro Section of The Washington Post without any follow-up but I don’t believe either one of those were suicides, I think they were probably “assisted” off the building.

SEANEWS:  Can you tell us what happened at the Washington Regan National Airport on Sunday May 11?

Wayne Madsen:  Well, myself and my colleague were heading to Houston to cover a story, another strange story about a CIA officer named Roland Carnaby who was gunned down in the middle of the morning rush hour on a major street in Houston on the 29th of April, incidentally just two days before Jeane Palfry supposedly committed suicide and I’m not suggesting a link and there isn’t one but this man Carnaby, a longtime CIA officer is gunned down by two Houston police officers and it’s televised by two overhead news helicopters, they said there was a high-speed chase and there are a lot of questions about all the facts that were put out in the newspapers.

SEANEWS:  This was a CIA officer?

Wayne Madsen:  He was a CIA officer, a long time CIA officer.  I don’t want to get into any details ….

SEANEWS:  This should have resulted in an investigation no doubt…

Wayne Madsen:  Absolutely, but nothing was done by the local media in Houston.  I can say that this individual goes back to the 1980’s as being a clandestine services officer.  He was gunned down assassination style by two Houston cops, it was broadcast on television and then there was a campaign to discredit Mr. Carnaby, it involved The Houston Chronicle and the major media in Houston.  They suggested that he was a fake CIA officer, all I can say at this point in time is that The Houston Chronicle just like the media that hyped the war in Iraq is treating bogus information as real news, is the same media that had us believe that 911 was carried out by 19 Arabs with box-cutters and is the same media that is now trying to convince us that this man Carnaby was not an authentic CIA agent.  It is a neocon propaganda effort as we have seen in the past and in this case a veteran CIA officer’s career is being dragged through the mud.

SEANEWS:  So the people that stopped you at Washington Regan National Airport were actually looking for you by your definition that they saw you and said “That’s the guy, with the beard…” is that correct?

Wayne Madsen:  That’s correct and it’s clear now too that at least I was tagged beforehand, that they were waiting.  The word I got from U.S. intelligence sources is that they were trying to send me a message about going to Houston to pry into the Carnaby affair, find out what really happened down there.  It’s interesting too that my colleague, she had already passed through security and when she inquired as to what was going on then she was brought in and  subjected to the same interrogation.  So clearly they were only after me in this case.  She told them she was traveling with me to Houston.

SEANEWS:  You actually went through a series of twenty questions during the interrogation.  Is that not correct?

Wayne Madsen:  Yes it is, and I have cleared immigration and customs in the then Soviet Union and Moscow, I have gone into dictatorships, I have gone into Israel - it’s not hard going into Israel but it’s extremely difficult to leave Israel.  I have been in and out of Amsterdam where security measures are extremely tight and I have never been subjected to anything like I was at Regan National Airport.

SEANEWS:  Have you ever had any occurrences similar to this before where you have been stopped by the police and questioned in such manner in America?

Wayne Madsen:  I have never experienced anything as intrusive as what happened at Regan National Airport, and I have never – except for one instance in Israel when I was leaving where some of my reporter’s notes were gone through – I have certainly never heard of anything like that here in the United States.  In this case my reporter’s notebooks were examined and I had printouts of the Carnaby shooting in Houston and it was very clear to the people that were examining this what I was going there for, but I’m sure they already knew that when I was stopped.  The other thing that is important is the fact that the questioners were asking me about  specifically what I was going to Houston to do, and this was a case where if you didn’t answer their questions of course you probably wouldn’t be allowed to board the flight.

SEANEWS:  So you are saying that they had specific foreknowledge of why you were going to Houston at that time?

Wayne Madsen:  Well what they were asking, I think they did, I mean I don’t know, they didn’t mention Carnaby certainly, but they certainly were asking how long are you going to be in Houston, what are you going there for, what do you write about, I said politics, they said liberal politics, and then I was getting a little irritated and I said I do not like George Bush, and you know they kind of snickered and laughed about that.  Then they asked me about my history, they said what did you do before you were a journalist, I said I was a U.S. Naval Officer and they thought that was pretty funny, they laughed at that, which irritated the hell out of me.

SEANEWS:  Have you had any suspicious activities happen since then?

Wayne Madsen:  No, coming back from Houston to Washington, not one problem.  Nothing, so it was clearly a signal being sent about going to Houston to look into the Carnaby affair.  Because what I found out, and I don’t want to go into details just yet, but Carnaby just like all the other suspicious cases I have looked at can be chalked up as another one courtesy of this administration.

SEANEWS:  Do you think this has been a response to your ASEAN Pedogate investigation?

Wayne Madsen:  I don’t know, it certainly could play into it because when I was investigating U.S. diplomats and their pedophilia activities throughout Southeast Asia I do know that the U.S. Embassy in Bangkok was very interested in what I was up to there, I did everything to use, well to use an intelligence term counter-surveillance, but it didn’t stop my receiving strange phone calls obviously from the U.S. Embassy there, and being tailed by a local military intelligence detective but if so it was clear that they were not happy with that story but I don’t know if that had anything specifically to do with Houston.  I think it was really the fact that there was this new story about a CIA officer being killed in the middle of the morning and being televised on national TV.  And just like 911, people believed the story they were being fed by the media.

SEANEWS:  I know if you rattle the state department, they have of course the methods and means to make life difficult for you entering any plane or taking any transportation.

Wayne Madsen:  Well, that’s true and of course the fact that the TSA administration which is run by Michael Chertoff obviously didn’t want me to go to Houston to find out that the CIA in Houston was closely monitoring the activities of Mossad agents down there.  Houston is one of the largest Mossad stations in North America, and Chertoff – is for all intents and purposes a dual U.S. – Israeli national - I mean his mother was a First Flight Attendant for El-Al Airlines.  Chertoff’s friends are committed Zionists and pro-Likud party individuals, so it’s clear to me that Mr. Chertoff did not want me necessarily going to down to investigate the activities of his brethren in Houston, and so I have to think that played a part in the decision to hold me up at Regan National Airport.

SEANEWS:  Do you believe that there is an effort within the U.S. Secret Service to expose the Zionist agenda in the U.S.?

Wayne Madsen:  Well, I do know, look what happened just two weeks prior to this incident and what happened to Mr. Carnaby, a long time Israeli agent named Benamy Kadish was arrested in New Jersey for spying for the Israelis back in the 1980’s and then we find out he was involved in the same ring as Johnathan Pollard who is serving life in prison for espionage for Israel.  We find out that they had the same controller, and we find out that this man Kadish’s last communications were with his controller in Tel Aviv in March and that these communications were being intercepted by the NSA.  So, it’s clear to me that there are people in the FBI and the intelligence services who are basically fed up with Israel and what they have done and how they have hijacked our foreign policy and how they have infiltrated our intelligence services.  And there’s nothing anti-Semetic about this.  If China had the kind of influence in our government and was affecting our foreign policy to the same degree that Israel was I would be just as vociferous against China.

SEANEWS:  Is there a danger for American agents if they are looking out for American interests being seen or interpreted as being anti-Semetic?

Wayne Madsen:  Well, that’s always a danger, you just have to look at who’s heading up the two agencies.  We have Chertoff as Homeland Security Secretary, we have Michael Mukasey who shares all his political and religious beliefs as Attorney General.  You have those two departments of the government locked up and it would be very difficult for the Secret Service which is under Homeland Security now and the FBI which is under the Justice Department to take effective action against what is clearly hostile intelligence activity in the United States.  I look at the MOSSAD not as a friendly intelligence service, it’s a hostile intelligence service, just as hostile as the KGB was during the Soviet era and just as hostile as the Chinese external intelligence services now.  But I think that their influence is much greater than anything the KGB or the Chinese intelligence service ever had in the United States.

SEANEWS:  Regarding your research into the 911 occurrence, did you find any evidence that the ADL or AIPAC had a hand in it?

Wayne Madsen:  Well what I do know is -and I extensively tracked the activities of these Israeli art students who were obviously intelligence agents all over the country in the months leading up to 911 - in some cases they were living in very close proximity to some of the Arab hijackers.  I also looked at the activities of some Israeli movers on the morning of 911 and I discovered by doing shoe-leather journalism, something that is not done by the people - the talking heads seen on TV, they don’t go out and ask any questions and they don’t do what journalists are supposed to do – but I do know that in one case five Israelis had set up a video camera at Liberty State Park just across the Hudson from the Trade Center and were taking photos as the first plane hit the Trade Center with means they had advance knowledge and I wish people would stop kidding themselves about the fact that Israel knew about 911 before it happened.  And they say they told people in the U.S. government?  Well if they told Dick Cheney, of course they were telling the person who was probably very much instrumental in laying the groundwork for 911.

SEANEWS:  And that footage has never been released?

Wayne Madsen:  Yes, and the tape was confiscated by the FBI and we never saw anything.

These spies… these Israelis who were arrested, that spent five months in the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn there, the CIA and the FBI did not want to have them released and they did turn up on a list as known MOSSAD agents and [Ehud] Olmert contacted directly Rudolph Guliani to see if Guliani could use his influence to have these guys released.  Now why would that be, why would the then Mayor of Jerusalem be so interested in having these guys released unless these guys had information that Olmert and the Likud Party in Israel thought would be dangerous if released?  You know, we don’t mind using sodium pentathol on Arab detainees, many of who are innocent, but I just fail to understand why we didn’t use sodium pentathol on five Israelis who were caught filming the Trade Center as the first plane struck.  I think that would have been a good use of sodium pentathol but it was never used on them.  And we found out also that the guy who ran their urban moving systems warehouse in New Jersey, Dominik Souter, not only did his name show up on a list of suspects that included Mohammed Atta - a list that was provided by the FBI to the Treasury Department - but we find out that he fled the country and was basically allowed to flee the country and subsequently I have discovered that he was allowed to return to the United States.  So, yes, if you ask are there high level moles in the U.S. government, having infiltrated our law enforcement and intelligence services, yes, it’s obvious and it’s obvious that the President of the United States has allowed this to happen.

SEANEWS:  Do you feel that there is a war at the moment on investigative journalism in the United States?

Wayne Madsen:  Well we have had some tremendous losses in the field of investigative journalism with the death of Gary Webb, the death of Hunter S. Thompson, both of which we were told were suicides, I don’t know there’s a lot of questions as to whether they were or not…

SEANEWS:  … but of course Gary Webb suffered two shots to the head, I mean someone who commits suicide cannot do two shots to the head, right?

Wayne Madsen:  Exactly.  Exactly, that’s extreme suicide.  And, but again, like I say not only that but investigative journalists are also under the threat of lawsuits, frivolous lawsuits designed to bankrupt them so this is the state of independent journalism as it is in the United States.  I have been threatened with frivolous lawsuits designed to bankrupt me but I have so far been able to survive them.

SEANEWS:  Have you been threatened recently Sir?

Wayne Madsen:  Not physically, but, I mean, I feel what happened at the National Airport here in Washington was the closest thing, you know, to a mugging, when you see them going through your wallet, your cash examined, examining all your cards, and your notebooks…

SEANEWS:  … that’s pretty direct…

Wayne Madsen:  That’s pretty direct, yeah.  I felt like I was mugged by Michael Chertoff at the airport.

SEANEWS:  And you can’t see anything getting better from here on in, as far as the present administration goes?
Wayne Madsen:  Well these guys have to be thrown out, you know, in November.  I have folks that we see in a Barak Obama administration that will see a house cleaning begin.  I’m quite certain that Obama will – of course he’s going to be a pretty busy man - but I think the key is who he appoints, to his cabinet and the sub-cabinet levels right down to the tertiary levels of the cabinet because these are the people I would hope would take action to purge the government of the people that brought this state of things about and turn this country’s foreign and economic policy around.

SEANEWS:  Do you find any difference these days between the Democrats and the Republicans?

Wayne Madsen:  Well now I do because I think the Republican party has totally been taken over by the likes of the William Kristols and the Charles Krauthammers and the neocons but I do see hope for the Democratic party with new candidates willing to take a more independent stance – and I’m not talking about the leadership – but I think if we see a change in the administration and we see more Democrats in congress I think we are going to see Harry Reid, the Senate Majority Leader, and Nancy Pelosi under a lot of pressure to either change their policies or step down and allow more reformed minded people to take their place.

SEANEWS:  ...back to Carnaby…

Wayne Madsen:  I just experienced a case in Houston where I know what really happened to this man, the CIA man, and I see the networks down there, the CBS affiliates the other stations and The Houston Chronicle which is the largest Houston newspaper engage in total fantasy.  People in Houston believe it, when I talked to people in Houston they said “Oh yeah, he was kind of a fake CIA guy..”  I said no, no.  They said “that’s what the paper reported.”  I said that’s not true, he really was a CIA guy.  So I witnessed firsthand…Houston is the fourth largest city in the United States, I have seen how this can play out in these large media environments.  So having witnessed what happened in Houston I can believe that there may have been complicity by the media, because I see complicity by the media in Houston.

SEANEWS:  You have seen complete disinformation by the mainstream media.

Wayne Madsen:  Absolutely.  First hand, first hand.  And when you witness it yourself, but its one thing to be covering a story when you are the only journalist covering a story with an independent mind as I did in Houston, no one else was looking into that story, no one still is, there still isn’t anyone looking into it from an independent viewpoint.  But I certainly have seen the media manipulation.  And of course with the Iraq war I saw it, it was massive media manipulation through what people called “embedded journalists” and now we know that the government was actually paying talking heads to go on the air to lie about what they believed about the war.

SEANEWS:  Some 935 lies admitted to now by the Bush administration.

Wayne Madsen:  That’s right.  Yeah.

SEANEWS:  Do you see it getting any better before it gets worse?

Wayne Madsen:  I think because we are in the middle of a campaign here for a high stakes run for the White House, yeah I think its going to get worse between now and November.  I’m very concerned about more campaign disinformation to try to snow the American people… we have seen these attacks against Obama already.  Fortunately he seems to have survived them.

SEANEWS:  But they are playing for keeps now, that’s what worries you so much?

Wayne Madsen:  Yeah, I think they know.  I mean Obama has already stated that the first order he will give to his new Attorney General is to investigate any crimes committed by the Bush administration.  They know that, and they are petrified that this could happen.

SEANEWS:  Thanks very much for your time Mr Madsen.

Wayne Madsen:  You're welcome.

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Steve Johnson is an Australian-American dual citizen - Perth WA .-based investigative journalist, author, and Podcast Creator. His Websites are in depth investigations into false flag terror events. His documentaries have appeared on Prisonplanet, and Foolmetwice The MOVIE My Space . He is an understudy to former Jakarta Post Editor : Robert S Finnegan.